WWE - What have you done!?!

[Takerfan93]

Over the recent months I've found myself becoming more and more frustrated and bored with WWE programming. But I wasn't frustrated to the point where I didn't want to watch. But then this week I turned on Raw and I see Cena come out with the bright purple and yellow lights spinning in circles round the audience, it just hit me. I just thought, what has this company come to?! It looked similar to a cartoon. And I realised how much more and more WWE was catering to kids, and it is not necessary.

Back in 2008 when they went PG it was still quite a good year with good storylines, good matches, good feuds and everything. But now almost 3 years later, it has gone over the top kiddy friendly. Everything is bright and colourful, everything is too gimmicky, the talking is mostly unbearable to listen to, the new PPV concepts are each based on one match type, their comedy skits are awful (pre PG they were quite good), the wrestling has become less of a focus next to celebrities and promos and they just don't seem to put any effort into it anymore.

I mean, turn on a Raw and a PPV from 2007 or before and then turn on a Raw and a PPV from 2010. For example Backlash 2007 and Summerslam 2010; the whole look is different, these days everything is so bright and colourful (they even paint the ring a different colour now!), the 2007 PPVs actually feel like PPVs, the 2007 sets are better (probably because they're not just the TV sets rearranged like they are now), the segments aren't cringy to listen to and most of the matches are great, which can't be said for PPVs this year IMO.

I feel that WWE is going over the top with things. Some of them are small things but I think they prove my point. For example, the week after the anonymous GM thing started, they made a whole stand for it, four years ago they wouldn't have because it looks ridiculous. Now they light the crowd a different colour every time certain wrestlers are cutting a promo (they even play music for Kane and Undertaker which is cringy and makes it seem so much more fake), four years ago the commentary tables simply had the WWE logo on them but now they have kept changing it until the whole front part is painted and they put those awful screens running along the stands in the crowd.

The only thing which keeps me watching is Undertaker, HHH, Jericho, Edge and Kane, and they are all not going to be around in another 5 years. As long as they are around it keeps a part of the good times around in our minds. But once they are gone, I have no idea what will keep me watching.

Anyone else got views on this subject? (no flaming please)

 

[Low_Ki]

The WWE today reminds me of the WWE of the early 90's. The wrestling world, we are told, is cyclical. Which means that the children who follow the WWE today, will help build the product into an adult product in 5-10 years. I do agree with you though, I think they have gone far more over the top this time around than back in the early 90's, but I think that is because they have the money now. In the early 90's, the WWE/F was not in the best financial situation. Now, they are more than healthy in that department.

I miss the days when PPV's felt like PPV's, but the bottom line is, until Vince realises that people do not want to see Cena constantly ripping into the next generation of talent (ala his bash at Nexus on RAW), and the money keeps pouring in, the adult-style WWE that a lot of people crave will just not come to fruition.

 

[TheWrestlingGod]

I Know, Right? I Think the thing that angers me the most is The New PPV's, They renamed Cena's Finishers, Becuase the initials had Implacations, Even though the F-U was a parody of the F-5, yet he kept the "5 Knuckle Shuffle"? Makes No sense, renaming "Armeggedon" "Tables Ladders & Chairs" Was so amazingly Sh*t, and They Renamed the Great American Bash, an Epic PPV with a great old school feel, so they rename it "The Bash" WTF!!! The Bash is another word for "w*nk" I Mean, Really? I completly agree with the OP, well Said.

 

[CarlSinclair]

I think the issue is Vince is smart nad realises that most of his 'adult' audience left him for real wrestling.. or MMA if you like.. so he has gone.. well I still have my kids.

Kids = money
Adults don't buy the same crap they might get the ppvs, but they aren't going to buy arm bands and all that Cena crap... Vince doesn't care as long as his ratings are decent and he gets lots of the moneeeehhh.

Vince saw his audience leave so he made the choice to go after another audience instead.. smart move really.

You forget that the IWC is MINOR compared to who actually watches wrestling, prob like 1% if that of the total audience.

 

[Dave]

OMG! Th3y R 2 good 2 th3 kiddiez!!!1!

Honestly, who actually cares about it being “bright and colourful”? I certainly don’t and I watch WWE programming week in and week out. Just because things have gotten bigger and more professional looking (see sets and commentary tables), it doesn’t mean that is necessarily worse than before. You seem to be forgetting that the big thing at the moment is HD television. The WWE would be mad to not take advantage of that and by keeping the old materials, they would likely be left behind as viewers want a more aesthetically pleasing show. They want to see what there very expensive TV’s can do in HD and no one can say that the WWE do not give that to them.

However, I have never thought it to be like a cartoon at any point. Sure, you can have your grievances with the product and say that you think it is terrible but there is simply no evidence to suggest that it is like a cartoon. Yes, it may be directed at kids but when did you start watching wrestling? If you are anything like me and a lot of other people around these parts, it will be when you were a kid. How selfish can you be to take that opportunity away from kids who want to get on board with the product. The people on these boards are already die-hard fans and don’t need to have their every whim catered to anymore. However, by giving some people like yourself want they want, they are likely to turn a lot of people off from a younger demographic.

Seriously, I hate these threads. People who supposedly love the WWE come in here and complain about things that could not be done a different way. The WWE is keeping up with the technological revolution and that explains the colour schemes and the HD set ups. They are also trying to cater to a new, younger audience (much like they have done in the past) and you have a problem with that? Get over yourself mate because the WWE wont come back for you if you fall off the bandwagon.

 

[Max Headroom]

OMG! Th3y R 2 good 2 th3 kiddiez!!!1!

Honestly, who actually cares about it being “bright and colourful”? I certainly don’t and I watch WWE programming week in and week out. Just because things have gotten bigger and more professional looking (see sets and commentary tables), it doesn’t mean that is necessarily worse than before. You seem to be forgetting that the big thing at the moment is HD television. The WWE would be mad to not take advantage of that and by keeping the old materials, they would likely be left behind as viewers want a more aesthetically pleasing show. They want to see what there very expensive TV’s can do in HD and no one can say that the WWE do not give that to them.

However, I have never thought it to be like a cartoon at any point. Sure, you can have your grievances with the product and say that you think it is terrible but there is simply no evidence to suggest that it is like a cartoon. Yes, it may be directed at kids but when did you start watching wrestling? If you are anything like me and a lot of other people around these parts, it will be when you were a kid. How selfish can you be to take that opportunity away from kids who want to get on board with the product. The people on these boards are already die-hard fans and don’t need to have their every whim catered to anymore. However, by giving some people like yourself want they want, they are likely to turn a lot of people off from a younger demographic.

Seriously, I hate these threads. People who supposedly love the WWE come in here and complain about things that could not be done a different way. The WWE is keeping up with the technological revolution and that explains the colour schemes and the HD set ups. They are also trying to cater to a new, younger audience (much like they have done in the past) and you have a problem with that? Get over yourself mate because the WWE wont come back for you if you fall off the bandwagon.

BUT DUDEZ DENAS WEERS PURPLE NOW!!!

lol, honestly thought I see nothing wrong with the product right now. Cena got a new purple shirt, so he is going to now include pruple in his entrance.

The WWE HAS to cater to kids for now, to get a larger group to watch wrestling again. If you are unaware Mr.OP[is that what you call the thread starter feller?] wrestling is very un-popular in the majority of places today. So, to stop it from becoming even less popular in the future, he becomes more child friendly. Now, there are LOTS of kids that watch, and more to come.

Fast-forward 5-10 years, are these kids going to want to watch this child-based stuff, not so much. Also, they will all be talking about it again, because the kids will now be in around where we are, but in bigger numbers. That's when Vince breaks out some more edgy stuff. No "AE 2.0!" that would be stupid, hell just throw some more edgy stuff on to keep the kids from now, who have grown older, and people like us interested. But he is never going to completely drop the kids, because they are his main-stay viewers in the future.

Besides, IMO the WWE is doing quite well at the moment.

 

[Takerfan93]

Honestly, who actually cares about it being “bright and colourful”? I certainly don’t and I watch WWE programming week in and week out. Just because things have gotten bigger and more professional looking (see sets and commentary tables), it doesn’t mean that is necessarily worse than before. You seem to be forgetting that the big thing at the moment is HD television. The WWE would be mad to not take advantage of that and by keeping the old materials, they would likely be left behind as viewers want a more aesthetically pleasing show. They want to see what there very expensive TV’s can do in HD and no one can say that the WWE do not give that to them.

Well clearly a lot of people care seeing as you're the only one so far who has put a comment disagreeing with it. It does not look more proffessional, it looks less proffessional; how can you say the sets are better now? they are far worse! there is only one set in the whole WWE now apart from Wrestlemania! And yes, HD is the big thing at the moment, but personally I preffered the old sets and I think they could have catered to the HD technology without going as overboard with it as they have.

However, I have never thought it to be like a cartoon at any point. Sure, you can have your grievances with the product and say that you think it is terrible but there is simply no evidence to suggest that it is like a cartoon. Yes, it may be directed at kids but when did you start watching wrestling? If you are anything like me and a lot of other people around these parts, it will be when you were a kid. How selfish can you be to take that opportunity away from kids who want to get on board with the product. The people on these boards are already die-hard fans and don’t need to have their every whim catered to anymore. However, by giving some people like yourself want they want, they are likely to turn a lot of people off from a younger demographic.

I definately think it is looking more and more cartoonish now, which I said was based on the visual alone, not the product as you assumed. I started watching wrestling at 10 in 2004 but believe me I am a die hard fan and I have read and watched endless articles and footage and done my research, and I know just as much about WWE pre-2004 as anyone who watched it in those days. I was 10 when I started watching, so yes I was a kid, but 2004 was not catered to kids at all but it drew me in, it was the elements catered for adults that specifically drew me in. And I believe what drew in the current kids audience in the first place was the more adult-aimed programming before it went PG, and since then they have just kept watching as its changed. Lets face it they aren't hard to please, they will watch it no matter what. So I am not being selfish at all, speaking from experience, I think the kids would enjoy the pre-PG era WWE much more, it was certainly the case with everyone my age I know who started watching when they were kids. No, parents might not be as happy with their kids watching, but they had a neutral before with a PG14 rating, which was fine for kids IMO. And incase you remember, the ratings were higher before it was PG as well, so I don't see how you can say it turned off the younger demographic when that was the time when they gained a lot of that younger demographic.

Seriously, I hate these threads. People who supposedly love the WWE come in here and complain about things that could not be done a different way. The WWE is keeping up with the technological revolution and that explains the colour schemes and the HD set ups. They are also trying to cater to a new, younger audience (much like they have done in the past) and you have a problem with that? Get over yourself mate because the WWE wont come back for you if you fall off the bandwagon.

I rarely complain believe me. I went 5 years without complaining about anything and not disagreeing with anything that WWE did. Only now am I starting to become frustrated, and I have good reason. The bright colours and everything make it look more cartoonish and the constant gimmicky props are unnecessary IMO. I understand their reasoning for going round in a cycle and picking up a younger audience again for the future; but a lot of kids outgrow wrestling and likes in general when they get older, whether the products change or not. Kids and women make up 40% of the audience, but why not leave room to cater to the other 60% as well? I think the previous PG14 rating was best suited for all demographics. The ratings during the kid aurientated eras have always been the lowest throughout the companie's history and the more adult-orientated the programming has been, the higher the ratings; Attitude had the highest ratings (most adult-aimed), Ruthless Agression and the 2004-2008 era had the next highest ratings (PG14). So it has always been the case that the PG WWE has always delivered the companie's lowest ratings.

 

[LongLiveTheStreak]

Well said "TakerFan" couldnt have put it better myself. It's become painful to watch now. But I still do for many reasons such as the fact that Undertaker's career is winding down and I need to see it. But the Raw side of things is especailly painful to look at. More to prove your point there TakerFan93:

Chris Jericho used to call out while wrestling "Come on you son of a bitch" Now he says things like "COME ON EVAN", "COME ON CENA", "ASK HIM", and it even become as *Censored* as "YOU'RE A STUPID MAN!" Next it will be "YOUR A BOOGERFACE!"Im suprised Kane didnt call Mysterio a "Tattle-Tale Poopy-Face Liar" for accusing him of attacking Undertaker. So you cant say "bitch" on WWE anymore, big f'n deal But if youre gonna talk like a douche bag to your opponent like that, like calling him a stupid man while beating himup,then during your matches why not just SHUT THE HELL UP!!!! Like you said, the talking is just unbearable to listen to.

I agree with you on another point, it's not necessary. Because we, the older generation can bring Vince McMahon so much more money in ticket sales, pay-per-view buys than these kids bring in with a John Cena shirt here and a Rey Mysterio mask there. I mean, look at the attitude era. Pay-per-views were selling out in days, hours, even minutes! And those people will eventually buy WWE merch. at the arenas too. And get this shit!, Wrestlemania has not sold out during the PG era. Really! I actually read that in an article on one of these sites before, WM'S 25 AND 26 did not sell out! So how much money could VKM possibly be making if he is not selling out Wrestlemania?

I will bet Vince is taking WWE in its current direction to create a better image for his wife's sentae campaign. I don't know for sure, I havent asked him. But I think it is going to continue down its path. Because after this current generation of kids grows up, there will just be another generation of young kids to sell WWE to.

So Im with you bud! I dont know what will keep me watching after the Taker, HHH, Kane and all them leave us. Maybe Daniel Bryan. He is simply bad-ass!

Moderator note to all - Do not use homophobic terms.

 

[Big Ol' Buckta AIDS]

And I realised how much more and more WWE was catering to kids, and it is not necessary.

The WWE is now a show for children. When you watch it, you are watching a Childrens show. The sooner people realize that the better.

 

[InuJoshua]

I mostly agree with Dave and each time I see these types of threads I come to the same conclusion...

Wrestling fans are spoiled.

Can you really say that just because Cena is wearing a purple shirt that the show is more like a cartoon than ever before? Even more so than the early Nineties!? If so, characters like Papa Shango, Kamala, The Goon, The Repo Man, Duke the Dumpster and The Gobbldy Gooker, (spelling?) say hello.

It comes down to this: When the WWF sucked us in, most of us were kids. It grew up with us during the Attitude Era, then statistically, most of us left when Stone Cold and The Rock left. They can't follow our interests 100% forever. When we're in our 60's do we expect Stone Cold and Randy Orton to toss Apple Sauce at each other and feud over who stole their medication? Of course not. The business has to adjust. Always has and always will.

That would be horrible business not to. So they're trying to pick up a new generation of fans. You don't have to like it, but keep in mind that today's kids will likely remember the PG era like we do the Hogan, Hart and Michaels eras when they get older.

You don't have to like it, but understand why it's happening. Think of yourself as a veteran wrestler. You can stick around if you want but be ready to have the kids put over you.

 

[Takerfan93]

Well said "TakerFan" couldnt have put it better myself. It's become painful to watch now. But I still do for many reasons such as the fact that Undertaker's career is winding down and I need to see it. But the Raw side of things is especailly painful to look at. More to prove your point there TakerFan93:

Chris Jericho used to call out while wrestling "Come on you son of a bitch" Now he says things like "COME ON EVAN", "COME ON CENA", "ASK HIM", and it even become as gay as "YOU'RE A STUPID MAN!" Next it will be "YOUR A BOOGERFACE!"Im suprised Kane didnt call Mysterio a "Tattle-Tale Poopy-Face Liar" for accusing him of attacking Undertaker. So you cant say "bitch" on WWE anymore, big f'n deal But if youre gonna talk like a douche bag to your opponent like that, like calling him a stupid man while beating himup,then during your matches why not just SHUT THE HELL UP!!!! Like you said, the talking is just unbearable to listen to.

I agree with you on another point, it's not necessary. Because we, the older generation can bring Vince McMahon so much more money in ticket sales, pay-per-view buys than these kids bring in with a John Cena shirt here and a Rey Mysterio mask there. I mean, look at the attitude era. Pay-per-views were selling out in days, hours, even minutes! And those people will eventually buy WWE merch. at the arenas too. And get this shit!, Wrestlemania has not sold out during the PG era. Really! I actually read that in an article on one of these sites before, WM'S 25 AND 26 did not sell out! So how much money could VKM possibly be making if he is not selling out Wrestlemania?

You put it even better than I did. I have said on this forum before that the trash talk and all was better when they were allowed to use words like "ass" and "bitch" but of course it invites smarks who just go on and on about how you "don't need swearing for trash talk". And that's true, but I never said they do need swear words, all I said was that it was better....and it was. There was something John Morrisson said to Maryse a few weeks back, something like "you look like a platipus", and it just highlights how bad the talking has got.

And I hadn't realised that about Wrestlemania but you're right, the past 2 Wrestlemanias haven't sold out and neither were good, the only thing which saved them was Undertaker-HBK. I remember Wrestlemania 21 even sold out in under 1 minute!

But the thing which I'm with you most on is what you said about Undertaker at the start, I was going to include that in the original post but left it out at the last minute. I too am only watching at the moment because I want to be there until the end of his career, once he's gone I don't know if I'll watch anymore.

 

[Rusty]

Jesus Christ, what have the FANS of the WWE turned in to?

Every single person that claims WWE is cartoonish because John Cena wears a purple t-shirt, is a hypocrite. Because um, if I recall... didn't Bret Hart wear pink every single night of his career? Hell, he still does.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no longer a kid and while I won't buy a purple t-shirt, I still have the ability to respect why the WWE is bringing out items such as Cena's new merchandise, because if I was a kid, I'd be buying that shirt as well.

The WWE is appealing to kids because the younger demographic is what is going to keep this company running in 10 years time. These smarks who claim are 'die hard' fans of the WWF/WWE, are likely getting older, and becoming more uninterested in wrestling as a whole. I know I am, and I'm only 18. But stop being selfish, and respect what the WWE is doing because in 10 years time, you probably won't be watching the show while these kids who are only beginning to watch the product, will indeed be a vital part of the WWE Universe whether you like it or not.

 

[Legendary1]

OMG!!!! Someone better tell the LAKERS to change their colors because purple and yellow is for kids!!!....(Oh, and in this world of HD programming we shouldn't use bright colors.).... Thank you, now I remember why I try not to read these threads....

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Jesus Christ, what have the FANS of the WWE turned in to?

Every single person that claims WWE is cartoonish because John Cena wears a purple t-shirt, is a hypocrite. Because um, if I recall... didn't Bret Hart wear pink every single night of his career? Hell, he still does.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no longer a kid and while I won't buy a purple t-shirt, I still have the ability to respect why the WWE is bringing out items such as Cena's new merchandise, because if I was a kid, I'd be buying that shirt as well.

The WWE is appealing to kids because the younger demographic is what is going to keep this company running in 10 years time. These smarks who claim are 'die hard' fans of the WWF/WWE, are likely getting older, and becoming more uninterested in wrestling as a whole. I know I am, and I'm only 18. But stop being selfish, and respect what the WWE is doing because in 10 years time, you probably won't be watching the show while these kids who are only beginning to watch the product, will indeed be a vital part of the WWE Universe whether you like it or not.

Exactly. Younger fans are going to grow up watching wrestling just as we did and many of them are going to stick with the WWE as they reach adulthood as we did.

However, personally, I'm so sick of hearing all this "WWE is a kids show" bullshit by people that obviously don't have the first clue what they're talking about. The WWE's audience pretty much runs throughout every age demo that's out there. Go look up the ratings for this past Monday's Raw, for instance. Raw drew a huge rating in the 12-17 demographic and continue to be strong draws in the males 18-49 demo and generally males and females in the 18-49 demographic. People of all ages watch WWE programming. You know why? Because, most of the time, what they get is a very good product.

One complaint I frequently hear is that there's so little cursing in the WWE. So what? Big Fucking Deal!!! If all it takes to get to get someone excited about something or to think a product is edgy, then you're really just a sad example of a wrestling fan to begin with.

 

[Tully]

Well said "TakerFan" couldnt have put it better myself. It's become painful to watch now. But I still do for many reasons such as the fact that Undertaker's career is winding down and I need to see it. But the Raw side of things is especailly painful to look at. More to prove your point there TakerFan93:

Chris Jericho used to call out while wrestling "Come on you son of a bitch" Now he says things like "COME ON EVAN", "COME ON CENA", "ASK HIM", and it even become as *Censored* as "YOU'RE A STUPID MAN!" Next it will be "YOUR A BOOGERFACE!"Im suprised Kane didnt call Mysterio a "Tattle-Tale Poopy-Face Liar" for accusing him of attacking Undertaker. So you cant say "bitch" on WWE anymore, big f'n deal But if youre gonna talk like a douche bag to your opponent like that, like calling him a stupid man while beating himup,then during your matches why not just SHUT THE HELL UP!!!! Like you said, the talking is just unbearable to listen to.

I agree with you on another point, it's not necessary. Because we, the older generation can bring Vince McMahon so much more money in ticket sales, pay-per-view buys than these kids bring in with a John Cena shirt here and a Rey Mysterio mask there. I mean, look at the attitude era. Pay-per-views were selling out in days, hours, even minutes! And those people will eventually buy WWE merch. at the arenas too. And get this shit!, Wrestlemania has not sold out during the PG era. Really! I actually read that in an article on one of these sites before, WM'S 25 AND 26 did not sell out! So how much money could VKM possibly be making if he is not selling out Wrestlemania?

I will bet Vince is taking WWE in its current direction to create a better image for his wife's sentae campaign. I don't know for sure, I havent asked him. But I think it is going to continue down its path. Because after this current generation of kids grows up, there will just be another generation of young kids to sell WWE to.

So Im with you bud! I dont know what will keep me watching after the Taker, HHH, Kane and all them leave us. Maybe Daniel Bryan. He is simply bad-ass!

Moderator note to all - Do not use homophobic terms.

^^^I totally agree with this and hope that the G-era fades into the sunset after Linda's campaign ends, one way or the other.

I think this "Reachout to the Kiddies" is pretty short-sighted TBH. In every economy, including the currently-dismal one, it's the ADULTS who have the $$$$. The first thing that would be cut in a household looking to save $$ would likely be things like "WWE PPV buys", Cena shirts, etc.

Plus...once these kiddies turn into teenagers who can themselves possibly find work and $$$, are they going to keep marking-out at Super Cena and want to see Hornswoggle coming off the top rope? Doubtful.

It's a bad business idea to turn your back on the very people who spent time & money elevating you in the first place....yet this appears to be the current WWE business model.

 

[patriotjay]

I dont really have a problem with the bright colors and playing creepy music during Kane segments and things of that nature,My beef is with the absolutly no blood or weapons policy I meen c'mon you seen Bret beat on Vince with that odd blue crowbar at Mania lol why blue?So it dont look like a real crowbar?You've got to be fuckin kidding me these are the things that irratate me when watching WWE these days.Im still a big fan Im gonna watch and order ppv regardless because I love WWE but when you totally take the violence out of wrestling it hurts the product.Now im nearly 30 and when I was a kid we had a fn Hulk Hogan Rock n Wrestlin' cartoon but the actual wrestling wasnt over the top kid friendly.So as I said in my thread yesterday that was mysteriously closed "Lets hope Linda McMahon loses" because I blame that senate run for deluting the WWE over the past couple years.Like Takerfan said when he started this thread "in 2008 things werent this bad"and he hit the nail on the head.Stevie fn Wonder could see WWE has been way to kid friendly as of late and I cant take much more of the "your not a real WWE fan if you speak your mind"because the fact is if you've been a fan for a while you know the product has gone way to soft and if you give it a big huge thumbs up your just a WWE mark.Yeah I still watch it and Im not saying its unwatchable but WWE can cater to kids without totally giving adults the shaft.Im gonna blame it on Linda because thats the only sensable reason for me tuning into Nick jr whoops i meen WWE, every monday nite at 9pm.

 

[WweBreezybre]

I agree with most of your points takerfan but all of you are missing the big picture.Your problem is not with Wwe it is with Raw.All this shit you are talking about happens on Raw.You guys must not watch Smackdown.On smackdown there are great matches and solid promos every week.Go to Raw you have cena almost every week staring down the nexus or santino joking with a guest host our the bella twins hanging around someones arm...............it just is unbearable some times

 

[patriotjay]

I have the answer to all these problems. I did a thread about 2 weeks ago about it. The answer is simple.

Do a Saturday morning wrestling show i e WWE Superstars from the 80s and 90s. If that were to happen WWE could go kid crazy on Saturday mornings. You know when the kids theyre selling t-shirts to are actually awake!

They could run all the corny Kane promos from a graveyard,Cena could come out with a huge fuckin Mattel logo on his shirt and nobody could complain about it. Maybe they can bring back The Funeral parlor interview segment (shit I feel old)

It would be very easy to produce just tape matches from house shows sprinkle in promos and Wa-La!

But back to the matter at hand so I dont get spammed, I think Raw should be the most edgy of all the WWE tv shows just for the fact it comes on at 9pm.

90% of Kids are sleeping so the only ones watching this shit is grown folks but as I said befor they cant do that because some politician will get the bitchin So we my friends are stuck.

Im gonna watch it anyway.....Fuck It!

 

[Takerfan93]

OMG!!!! Someone better tell the LAKERS to change their colors because purple and yellow is for kids!!!....(Oh, and in this world of HD programming we shouldn't use bright colors.).... Thank you, now I remember why I try not to read these threads....

Jesus Christ, what have the FANS of the WWE turned in to?

Every single person that claims WWE is cartoonish because John Cena wears a purple t-shirt, is a hypocrite. Because um, if I recall... didn't Bret Hart wear pink every single night of his career? Hell, he still does.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no longer a kid and while I won't buy a purple t-shirt, I still have the ability to respect why the WWE is bringing out items such as Cena's new merchandise, because if I was a kid, I'd be buying that shirt as well.

The WWE is appealing to kids because the younger demographic is what is going to keep this company running in 10 years time. These smarks who claim are 'die hard' fans of the WWF/WWE, are likely getting older, and becoming more uninterested in wrestling as a whole. I know I am, and I'm only 18. But stop being selfish, and respect what the WWE is doing because in 10 years time, you probably won't be watching the show while these kids who are only beginning to watch the product, will indeed be a vital part of the WWE Universe whether you like it or not.

Oh for god sake, it amazes me how much you twist what I said. Did I at any point even MENTION Cena's shirt?!?!?! NO. I mentioned the purple and yellow LIGHTS and how the image of that hit me. I don't care about the purple shirt, I never said I did. I said that everything is being made so bright and colourful now as a result of the kid-aimed programming, I only used it as a visual example of how things have changed.

And what makes you think the kids wouldn't enjoy the pre-PG WWE? The kids would actually love it MORE in my opinion. When I was their age, it was THAT WWE which got me interested. It is a much more neutral option and would please wider demographic. So read what I actually say before you comment on it.

However, personally, I'm so sick of hearing all this "WWE is a kids show" bullshit by people that obviously don't have the first clue what they're talking about. The WWE's audience pretty much runs throughout every age demo that's out there. Go look up the ratings for this past Monday's Raw, for instance. Raw drew a huge rating in the 12-17 demographic and continue to be strong draws in the males 18-49 demo and generally males and females in the 18-49 demographic. People of all ages watch WWE programming. You know why? Because, most of the time, what they get is a very good product.

One complaint I frequently hear is that there's so little cursing in the WWE. So what? Big Fucking Deal!!! If all it takes to get to get someone excited about something or to think a product is edgy, then you're really just a sad example of a wrestling fan to begin with.

This is something that annoys me. Just because you have heard people say it is being catered to kids before, you stereotype it as if it is not viable. Do you know what I'm sick of? People like you who say "you're not a real wrestling fan" to anyone who voices their disagreement with what WWE is doing.

And yes you are right about the ratings, but they are quite a bit lower compared to what they were before PG. And this past Monday was a post PPV Raw, they usually draw higher. Besides, a lot of fans like me continue watching despite their frustration because they love wrestling and whether they like it or not WWE is the best one out there.

It is so predictable that you took a shot at my comment about the trash talking. If you notice on my last comment I actually said "You put it even better than I did. I have said on this forum before that the trash talk and all was better when they were allowed to use words like "ass" and "bitch" but of course it invites smarks who just go on and on about how you "don't need swearing for trash talk". And that's true, but I never said they do need swear words". Whether you like it or not the trash talk was better before, not because of swearing, but because they weren't so limited (and the thing is PG doesn't even limit them as much as they are, WWE has limited them more than they need to).

 

[MammaJamma22]

Bret Hart wore pink....Hull Hogan wore yellow....The Rock had a shirt featuring a bull eating a pie.....yet you criticize the product now because of a purple shirt? This whole thread is absurd. I loved the attitude era, but I think a lot of you are extremely biased based on your perception and fandom of the past.

As someone pointed out, the 90s were full of far worse characters. Characters that were clearly geared to CHILDREN. If you really have that big of a problem with the product, stop watching and stop bitching. I will admit I am not as into it as I have been, but I watch and I deal with the fact that the WWE has changed.

The fact that this was all brought on by a new f'n shirt....ridiculous.

 

[YEDemon]

Man, I know the IWC always needs something to rag on. I can respect that, but damn, the complaining about the PG rating and how bad the WWE has gotten is just irritating. We really need the mods to create just one official "I Hate WWE and the PG rating" thread. We see one of these threads at least once or twice a week, it seems. It never really seems to be anything different, or at least, it never seems to be anything that matters.

Cena's changed to purple? So what, he changes his colors every couple of months. A He used to be black and blue, green and yellow, orange and blue. The WWE changes his colors every once in a while just to sell more merchandise. Hell, it's no different that Orton's shirts or DX's merchandise that they used to shill.

No blood? Eventually, this too will go away. We can't change it, and while it may be annoying to see a match stopped because someone has been busted open, we have to deal with it.

The promos and storylines suck? Wrestling has always had bad stories, talkers, and characters, and people will always think that the current ones are the worst. The WWE isn't nearly as bad as people want to think it is. Right now, the WWE is pushing new superstars and Kane is getting a long deserved title run. Punk is an awesome heel, and he will regain any credibility he has lost. And while I see people saying they're about to stop watching the WWE because it's so bad, I'm sure they'll still be on here six months from now, complaining about something else that is blown out of proportion.

I'm a pessimist, and yeah, I love to complain, but the complaining about the WWE is just annoying, now. I mean, if you don't like it, don't watch it.

 

[trashboy]

I'm gonna go ahead and guess.. and say that most everybody that complains about WWE being more towards kids are people that probably don't have kids themselves and if they did, they would probably enjoy sitting there with their children and watch the show as a family..

 

[SpoodBeest]

Oh boy I'm going to have a lot of fun picking apart this thread topic. Do without futher ado let's get to the rebuttal. So what if WWE is catering more towards the kids with their product today. It's obviously done them some good business when it comes to drawing for shows and selling merchandise. Which in the end is how WWE makes all of their money anyways. Is it so wrong for kids to have fun to watch a show? Is it a terrible thing that WWE decides to market more towards them instead of us who have been watching for a while? The colorful characters and more focus on in ring action is taken straight from the late 80s-early 90s. Which is what this era is really starting to remind me of which if you look back then it was geared towards a more child friendly audience as well.

A lot of you fans need to get off your Attitude Era high horses and coem to a realization. And that is it is a different time and era for WWE. They are not catering towards you and are not putting edgy and shocking television for you, which for some reason pisses you guys off. The Attitude Era is dead and gone and you guys need to come to realize that this era isn't about you. This era is about marketing towards an audience that will grow up with the product and then maybe will transition into another more edgy product as the kids grow up into teens and adults. This is how business cycle works and if you can't handle that well then stop watching.

So in the end bright colors and props, as well colorful characters and PG ratings piss you off, but May Young giving birth to hands, Val Venis getting his dick chopped off, among other over the top crude shock moments have nothing on how shitty the PG Era is? Very ridiculous because The Attitude Era had just as much shit if not more so than this era does, and there was a lot less emphasis on in ring action then. Shit matches were very plentiful then, but today we get a lot more quality. Yet this era is so god awful.

 

[mrhexum]

I got into wrestling as a kid....and back then it was way tamer than it is now. I remember how crazy it was to see a "run-in" on Superstars on saturday morning. I remember how rare it was to see someone bleed. I remember WCW being sponsored by ROOS (a kids shoe). And a chair shot then? That was just pure evil.

Now, I understand that times change and people always want something new and different. But, kids are the ones who want the merchandise and still "believe" in wrestling. So, I don't blame Vince.

I also believe, as was stated earlier, if you don't like it, don't watch.

 

[darbare]

me personally...all this kids are taking over and ruining it is crap......if you really look at the situation WWE is changing but not because of kids.....there are certain variables that have made them change over time.....wrestlers dying, people taking drugs and steroids...Linda McMahons senate campaign....all of these things most likely are a factor.....you cant say the kids because there are kids every single year that start to like wrestling....there isnt just one group that watches together......kids watch every SINGLE year.....saying that we grew up on the attitude era and then they cater to the new kids is true but probably because alot of adults lose interest and Vince knows that kids that whine about not getting something will most likely get it.....its just smart business....even in the attitude era....I grew up on the attitude era when I started watching WWE at like 6 years old.....I witnessed alot of things a 6 year old shouldnt watch lol.....my parents didnt want me watching but I found a way to anyways....my point simply is that whatever works in the meantime for WWE we cant complain because all we have to do is change the channel.....you might also say that we cant complain because just a few people complaining doesnt mean shit honestly....this PG era is most likely temporary because they the business changes so much.....each era is different and oneday we might see a brand new type of era.....basically to the cut to the point you cant please everyone so people need to stop complaining