I've never understood why JJ's legacy is so poor on the internet.
Never did anything of note in WWF or WCW?
WWF
-6x IC champion
-European Champion
-Tag Champion (with Owen Hart, helluva team)
WCW
-4x US champion
-3x World Champion
That's just raw titles.
on WWF:
His...
Ridiculous premise.
1) Randy Savage: Was pushed as one of WCW's top stars. He and Flair's feud from 95 through 96 was the major drawing feud of WCW. He had a brief stint as the foil to the nWo, but certainly wasn't a punching bag, before joining them and becoming a focal point of the group...
Of course it was the right move and really it died for reasons beyond control.
Savage blew his knee out quickly after, Sting was barely even trying, etc. etc.
Sting should never have joined the Wolfpac and then War Games should have been winner take all, WCW vs Wolfpac vs Hollywood. WCW...
Listing the names is incredibly misleading.
Savage dealt with knee injuries that basically kept him out of the company for the entire second half of 98.
Sting was dealing with personal issues that derailed the second half of 98.
Scott Hall went into rehab, came back and went back again...
I' in the minority on this board, but I think Hansen was a better worker than Randy Savage and had a much longer period as a top draw.
Look, I love Savage. He's one of my favorites of all time. However, a lot of his 90s run was basically just "Hey I'm Randy Savage and I'm popular and that's why...
I'm not a Kane fanboy, but I disagree with you about Brody being a better "all around" wrestler.
Brody ate people up in the ring. Many of his matches are actively bad because he doesn't give any offense and just stomps around like a wildman. His brawling is EXTREMELY overrated because of...
Ric Flair will (and should) win this, but everyone should do themselves a favor and go watch a Shinya Hashimoto series. He is amazing. Easily one of my favorite wrestlers ever and quite honestly if I were only going to watch one match of either of these two, I might pick Hash. An awesome...
So much this.
Jerry Lawler was a great brawler and story teller in the ring and was a WAY bigger deal. Samoa Joe is a good wrestler with some really good high spot moments in his career, but he's not Jerry Lawler.
Jeff Hardy is a spot monkey that has occasionally put it all together for solid matches with good spots.
Jushin Liger is a TREMENDOUS worker, one of the best workers ever. Hardy has never had a match close to as good as Liger's best matches.
Liger is an international superstar that...
As most of wrestling history is basically "What did they do in WWF" apparently, it makes sense that Luger routinely gets snubbed.
However, Luger was not some bland castoff that couldn't work that got a push because all the stars left the WWF.
He was a star in NWA/WCW before jumping to the WWF...
Definitely voting Misawa, but I think you don't give Hammer the credit he deserves.
First, the knock that he won regional titles is weak considering that was winning a top title. His work outside of WWF wasn't part of national tv programs. He was always a top heel everywhere he went until...
Meh, I'll go the other way.
Dory was never the draw that Terry was, and part of the reason he got to work for as long as he did was because Terry kept giving him jobs.
Arn Anderson worked in a different era really and was one of the best, most reliable TV match workers of all time.
Is...
The ignorance that surrounds Stan Hansen is stunning really.
Let me debunk some Hansen myths.
1) Safety:
-For someone the internet is so convinced was unsafe, basically every promoter in the world put their most important people in the ring with him. AWA put Rick Martel in there, WCW...
You've never heard those things because they weren't true. He went over Sting for the belt in his final WCW match. Some people have an odd agenda where they claim that essentially everyone was dying to jump from WCW back to WWF as soon as Hogan got there, but it's just not true. Rick Rude wasn't...
I can't believe I'm bothering to do this, but wrestlingdata has over 150 recorded victories from 1997 to the end of 1998 and that I can see they don't count the ones where he beat two guys in a handicap match and WCW counted it as two victories.
You can view the stats here...
Do facts matter or do we want to continue with the anecdotal falsehoods?
1) Fans didn't turn the channel for good following Starrcade 97. WCW continued to win the ratings after that and then traded with WWF throughout 98.
2) The Fingerpoke of Doom didn't kill WCW either. Ratings actually...
Luger definitely belongs on the list but most of the others don't.
Magnum TA should be on there FOR sure as should Wahoo.
I'd be fine with arguments for Wahoo, Magnum, Luger, Sgt. Slaughter, heck even Bret Hart or DDP.
Luger's run in the early 90s that included an awesome feud with...
Most people who post in these threads didn't even watch WCW and only know how to "rebook" it based on summaries of what happened.
Have Bret Hart debut and take out Goldberg? LOL Goldberg was a nobody. He had just debuted on tv at the end of September. You want to feed him to Bret? Bret would...
First of all, please do not use the "undefeated for a decade" nonsense that the WWF put out there. It was not true. Andre the Giant never went a decade without taking a loss.
I've never cared about John Cena. He debuted right at the time I quit watching wrestling on any regular basis and the...
I'll get my written vote out there for Austin.
I was not an Austin guy in the 90s, but there is no questioning how big he was. Austin is arguably the most popular wrestler of all time and is the only one who peaked as high as Hogan, or higher.
Cena has the longer track record of being on...
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