Correct me if I'm wrong but when a show aims to appeal to a certain age group doesn't that make them their target demographic? The original ECW appealed to Adult men and that was their demographic. TV shows like Regular show and Adventure time appeal to young children (age 7-9) which makes them the target demographic for those shows. I'm not saying WWE doesn't appeal to others but they are targeting children which makes them their Target demographic.
- You are so hung up on the Target Demographic that you're missing the biggest issue. You don't become a popular TV show/Live entertainment venture by putting all your eggs in one demographic basket. By bringing in people that appeal to people outside that Target, you increase your chance of bringing in people.
- Kids do not go to places on their own. Even if you are trying to get only the kids, you have to do things that appeal to the parents, who will be taking the kids.Bringing in celebrities that they heard of helps.
Then that bit player shouldn't take up the majority of the 2 hour show. If they only had a few backstage vignettes and made a couple matches that way the kids get to see more of what they want to see.
That's the thing. They weren't dominating the majority of the 2 hour show. They were on for less then 20 minutes, tops, in 2-5 segments. The show is 125 minutes. That's hardly dominating. And if they were on more then that, they were interacting with, and putting over the WWE Talent, whom the kids are there to see.
if i was a child I would have been upset the show I was watching was being dominated by a guy I didn't care about and wouldn't watch anymore or ask to go see the shows live
If you were a child, you would see your favorite Superstar/Diva and leave happy. If your favorite Superstar/Diva lost, you may be less happy.
Kids don't care who is on the screen more, they just want to see their favorites. I would all but guarantee they did, since the favorites among the majority of the kids were John Cena, Rey Mysterio, and Hornswoggle. Cena and Hornswoggle were on every week, and Mysterio was on Smackdown.
Except they did. The ratting went down with only a few exceptions. That means people did not like it and stopped watching altogether.
Again, a few weeks means nothing. Every year there are a few weeks with low ratings, especially in the summertime. I was showing you that the Guest Host GM concept AS A WHOLE was a success, since the ratings were up compared to the same timeframe as years past.
Are you really comparing a horrible weekly guest GM concept to WrestleMania? For the sake of argument I'll go with it.
I'm comparing celebrity involvement in Sports Entertainment. As such, the comparison works.
Everyone you mentioned were the biggest stars of the time Everyone Adults and Children alike wanted to see them. You can't compare any of the guest hosts to them.
Just like Shaquille O'Neal, Ben Roethlisberger, Jeremy Piven (this is during the height of Entourage), Bob Barker. I can go on if you want. They had some legit big-time stars during the Guest Host GM run. So yes, I can compare them to people like Liberace and the Rockettes, or even Muhammad Ali.
Adamle wasn't to bad. He left before he really found his niche and Cole is one of the most hated characters on RAW. People may have hated them but they weren't bad.
Adamle couldn't even remember his damn lines. He was atrocious.
And you yourself even said that Michael Cole sucked and you would turn it off because of him. So now you're saying that Cole is excellent?
The guest hots however were bad, with the exception of a small few.
Honestly, you have your wording confused. The Guest Hosts on a whole were fine, with the exception of a small few.
Yeah ok, only problem is we're supposed to look at the Guest GM time frame and the ratings were down for most of them. The ones I put down were just the worst, there are plenty more that were below the norm as well.
Here's some more ratings for you on an individual basis.
June 29th (Batista): 3.9
July 27th (Shaquille O'Neal): 3.95
8/10 (Sgt. Slaughter): 3.8
8/17 (Freddie Prinze Jr.): 3.79
8/24 (Floyd Mayweather): 3.93
9/07 (Bob Barker): 3.8
1/11 (Mike Tyson): 3.7
2/22 (Jewel/Ty Murray): 3.8
Umm, When ratings go down that means people stop watching right?
When they're consistently down, people stop watching. But they weren't, there were occasional dips. When there are occasional dips, they generally can be attributed to numerous things out of WWEs control, be it a pre-emption, stiff competition from another channel, the time of the year (more people go away in the summertime or during holidays).
And as I have proven, the ratings as a whole actually went UP.
I'm not the end all be all but I will watch anything most people think is Horrible shit. So if I don't like it yeah it's shit
Again, you are not the end-all, be-all when it comes to television quality. You stopped watching, good for you. That doesn't mean the product sucked, it just meant you decided to let the least important person on TV each week dictate your viewing pleasue.
These have nothing to do with anything so I'm ignoring them
So we take you stopping watching the show as an indicator of quality, and me continuing to watch the show as nothing? Yeah, that's not happening.
Of course you would say it's funny you're arguing for it.
While yes, I found it funny, I based my opinion on the fact that the ARENA found it funny. That's ten thousand plus people that found it funny.
There was wrestling of course. however the guest host was on the screen every 5 minutes which means they took up most of the show. IF they were any good it would have been alright but they were horrible.
First of all, for the most part they weren't shit. And they weren't on the screen forever, they had 2-5 segments, each of which involved full-time talent working with the celebrity host.
This goes back to my target Audience argument from earlier. Kids do not care about any of them and will not want to watch or go to the shows
Kids aren't going to watch the guest hosts. If they wanted the guest host to appeal to kids, they would get Barney. Instead, they got the guest host to appeal to the parents, whom are taking the kids.
Hawkins needs the time to get over a lot more than a celebrity that wasn't gonna be there the next week
Television shows are about getting people to tune in. Not a single person outside of Curt Hawkins family and friends are tuning into RAW if he's on. You'll get a few more with a celebrity.
Fuck me. You get this one to.
Yeah, of course I get it. It shows that your argument has more holes then a mesh shirt.
It did happen to piper yes but this doesn't mean it made him a good guest host. Kofi could have saved any fan favorite from the assault and he would have gotten the same reaction. This isn't a point in favor of the guest host concept being a success
But all we were talking about is the guest host doing things to get people over. In this case, Piper (the host) did things to get Kofi and Orton over (he was getting assaulted and then saved)
True but all him being Guest host get him back on TV. All the good stuff happened after he was done being guest host
If there was a Slammy for Moment of the Year, that's it right there. That happened with GUEST HOST GM Bret Hart on January 4, 2010.
So no one got heat by taking out a fan favorite during what was supposed to be a shining moment for them? I say again it Didn't have to be Mark Cuban. he was there because he was a big name in the city (which is one of the few that probably brought people in).
Again, you're totally misunderstanding Sports Entertainment and Sports Entertainment fans. You get some heat by assaulting a Superstar. You get more by assaulting a non-Superstar employee. You get tons more by assaulting a non-employee, especially a local legend like Cuban. Not to mention the media talking about Mark Cuban being put through a table. He was doing interviews days later about it, and putting over WWE, Sheamus, and the fact that being put through a table hurts.
Chavo's storyline was an embarrassment and another example as to why the concept sucked. As for Heder I hate him so I admit biased here.
So Chavo's storyline sucked? Well, his storyline involved losing to a favorite of the target demographic, who loved it. Either the Chavo/Hornswoggle storyline was good for business, or the Target Demographic thing is entirely thrown out the window.
In a global media standpoint they aren't . How ever in a WWE standpoint I will take a manger, Commentator or a ref over a boxer & Basketball player any day of the week
Well, I'd tend to side with the boxer over the commentator. The boxer can destroy me systematically, while the commentator/manager/ref are puny wusses. And the basketball player you speak of is more physically imposing then 9/10 of the roster.
ok but she was a big part in getting Christian the ECW title so I will take her over a guest host who made (with a few exceptions) throw away matches
So you'll take Tiffany, who debuted as an (assistant) authority figure of the 3rd brand and was boring, bland, plain, generic, whatever, over a celebrity that has personality and can work a crowd, and people actually care about them.
And when she debuted, she had nothing to do with Christian getting the ECW title. The entire thing I was saying is that they had nothing going for them when they were named authority figures, thus making them equal to the Weekly Celebrities.
I like Adamle, he made some good matches as GM as did Tiffany. And that is more than I can say for the Guest FMs
The RAW Guest Host GMs made every single match involving RAW talent, not only on RAW, but also on PPVs.
Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H vs. John Cena for the title at Survivor series? Joey Logano and Kyle Busch made that one. Sheamus vs. John Cena? Jesse Ventura. I'd say those weren't throwaway matches. They were PPV Main Events. There were tons more, too. If it was a match involving RAW talent, the Guest Host GM made the match.
She was a prt of the Eddie/Rey/ Dominic storyline so that cuts that part out. OK i may have exaggerated but I would take one of the most over heels on the roster than any guest host.
When she debuted, she was a face that no one cared about that couldn't do her job properly. And she was barely involved in the Dominic storyline.
And he was still better than the majority of guest hosts
I don't know what you were watching, but Mike Adamle was unwatchable. His last night with WWE he literally stood there forgetting his lines on live TV. The Guest Host GMs had personality, knew their lines (aside from the occasional slip of the tongue).
being a sarcastic smart ass gets you no points Stormy
Being an invisible GM with a disembodied voice gives you no credibility as an authority figure either. Weekly Celebrities >>>> Laptop/iPad with disembodied voice or someone reading eMails.
They have less credibility due to the fact they were gonna be gone at the end of the night.
Of course that didn't matter, since never once did any superstar use the You're not gonna be here next week, so what you say doesn't matter excuse for not doing something.
If only the fresh faces didn't suck you would have a point.
Again, just randomly saying they suck doesn't make it so. Yes, one or 2 of them did suck. Much like Mike Adamle sucked for months on end, or Michael Cole sucked as a commentator for months on end. The Guest Host GMs had personality, most of them were able to work a crowd.
All the times I saw it on main stream media was them talking about the random celeb with only a small mention of the WWE or Raw
That's funny, because every time I saw the mainstream media talking about the celebrity hosting, they would say (so-and-so celebrity) was on WWE Monday Night RAW (Monday night) all the while showing clips of the program, most of which involved the celebrity interacting with a guy.
This is the 2nd time you mentioned Benoit. What in God's name does he have to do with any of this?
He tried to kill the entire industry. He was the cause for the massive amounts of negative publicity that WWE is still trying to get past.
Any time they mention WWE in a positive light, it helps alleviate the negativity created by that piece of shit Benoit.
it led to only 2 good segment and that was when Jesse Ventura made Sheamus Vs Cena A tables match. All other segments were meh at best and shitty at worst.
Again, that's the furthest from the truth. 99% of the segments involving Celebrity Guest Host GMs were as good or better then any GM Segment with any full-time GM. Couple that with the positive media attention, and having new people in charge every week (who could be face or heel), and you get innovative, fresh, entertaining television, which leads to
higher ratings, which as I have already proven, happened thanks to the RAW Guest Host GM.
GM. This gimmick thought of rather negatively my many of the internet fans. Those people are 100% misguided in their downright hatred of the concept. The RAW Guest Host GM gimmick was a success, and there are many reasons why, which I will get to below.
