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Very entertaining and acceptable, as long as it pleases the "fans"
All those Suplex City chants make me think these people are happy. Your opinion fucking sucks.
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Very entertaining and acceptable, as long as it pleases the "fans"
Brock Lesnar is a beast, and the reason why he does his Suplex Repeat shtick is because HE CAN. Who the hell is going to stop him?
It wasn't "bad", it was HORRIBLE. Reigns did nothing but his pussywimp punches and his two moves, and Lesnar was gassed out five seconds into the match as usual, and did nothing beyond the three moves he always does. Boring, generic, bland, and terrible, all the way through. Only Rollins cashing in saved the match from being THE worst closing match in WrestleMania history. It was as bad as Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Lawrence Taylor. The only closing match in WM history that MIGHT be worse was Hulk Hogan vs. King Kong Bundy at WrestleMania 2, that's another one that's near unwatchable. But Hogan/Bundy closed a terrible WrestleMania, while Lesnar/Reigns closed a WrestleMania that was excellent all the way through until their horrendously bad match.
The last sentence is the big question, isn't it? The thing is, what happens to Brock Lesnar when someone does finally cleanly defeat him and his suplexes?
Everyone who has been featured as a 'monster' in the past had to lose sometime, and in pro wrestling it's possible to have the Creative people build him back up so he can still be a highly effective performer. Of all the examples one can name, I think of Hulk Hogan after losing cleanly to Ultimate Warrior at WM6. It was a monumental defeat, yet Hogan's rep wasn't diminished at all despite the fact he never got his revenge against Warrior. He was a permanent employee (or so it was believed at the time) and he continued building his legend.
With Brock, it might be different because he's been cast as so far superior to everyone else that he can wrestle only a few times a year and still knock off everyone WWE's got.
What happens when Brock finally loses fair & square? If he keeps competing in WWE, will he ever be regarded as highly again.....or will he be essentially be finished as a major factor?
It can be said that WWE has painted themselves in a corner with this, as witnessed by the strong possibility that Brock, unlike other WWE performers, has no intention of making a career of pro wrestling.
What happens when he finally loses? Will we ever find out?
Now, on the suplex point, yes it does get repetative. So was most of Hogans matches. And Flairs. But the formula worked even though it was mostly the same deal. Lesnars deal is he suplexes his opponents to death with a move he has perfected. (also, Lesnar isn't the only one to abuse the German suplex. I remember some matches with both Angle and Benoit where they'd hit ridiculous amounts of German Suplexes. Not just one guy on the roster doing it, but two simultaneously).
Angle and Benoit...have you watched how they begin their matches? Just watch their match from Royal Rumble 2003, or them teaming up against Edge and Rey Mysterio from No Mercy 2002. One of the greatest matches ever. I have no problem with someone doing the German suplex 12 times in a particular match, as long as they do it skillfully, also in sets of 3-5 as did Angle and Benoit.
What Brock did at Battleground or has been doing lately, is more like a kid playing the WWE video game from 2004/2005 and doing the same damn move(often a finisher like F5) over and over and over again. That's juvenile, silly, and downright ******ed. And that's how Lesnar appears to me lately.
And by no means do I doubt Lesnar's credentials, his work ethic, merits, and ability as a wrestler. I like the guy. But, as I've already stated throughout this thread, if he's going to be booked like this, I have no interest in him whatsoever. I'll happily rewatch his match with Angle from WM19, Summerslam or others, 10 times.
Angle and Benoit...have you watched how they begin their matches?
Just watch their match from Royal Rumble 2003, or them teaming up against Edge and Rey Mysterio from No Mercy 2002. One of the greatest matches ever. I have no problem with someone doing the German suplex 12 times in a particular match, as long as they do it skillfully, also in sets of 3-5 as did Angle and Benoit.
What Brock did at Battleground or has been doing lately, is more like a kid playing the WWE video game from 2004/2005 and doing the same damn move(often a finisher like F5) over and over and over again. That's juvenile, silly, and downright ******ed. And that's how Lesnar appears to me lately.
And by no means do I doubt Lesnar's credentials, his work ethic, merits, and ability as a wrestler. I like the guy. But, as I've already stated throughout this thread, if he's going to be booked like this, I have no interest in him whatsoever. I'll happily rewatch his match with Angle from WM19, Summerslam or others, 10 times.
Brock makes millions and ruins wrestling
You'd have to think that Brock will remain 'protected' for the entirety of his current WWE deal(which is 3 years?). Thus, when someone does finally defeat him clean, it will most probably be done as a last rub.
1)Like I stated in another thread, I'm watching Battleground 2015 just now, so as to catch up with stuff I've missed from the last 2 years.
2)So it's the mainevent and suplex city chants break out already, Rollins resists the first two attempts of the G-suplex, only to be G-suplexed later, like 5-6 times. Brock Lesnar's smiling smugly, complacently, looking like an utter moron.
3)I can't help but be fervently displeased and outraged. Even a part of the audience was booing, but a part chant "suplex city". So I wonder. Is this the same damn guy who wrestled a classic match with Kurt Angle at Wrestlemania? Or was it on account of Angle?
4)The suplex city chants must be a trend originated maybe only a year ago, but I utterly despise the chants and twitter BS that has thus been lavished on the glorious artform that is pro wrestling since 2010. From the ridiculous ape-like YES chants to superfluous "this is awesome" chants. And "suplex city" seems no different. If anything, all I saw in the Battleground match and otherwise from Brock is lame attempts at trying to either please the crowd or please himself by executing the G-suplex. Yes Brock, we know you're a substantial beast incorporate. But please try to fucking give something back to us, for the ridiculous amount of money you get. It's really like how back in 2004-2005 I used to keep German-suplexing my opponents (as Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit) in the WWE video game. But even I did it with finesse, as did Angle and Benoit in actuality. So why does Brock get all this money to just play a video game and annoyingly German-suplex an opponent in the mainevent match for the WWE WHC ?
5)I have profoundly admired/liked/loved/respected Kurt Angle, for years now. The suplex city chants would suit him more, for being a genuine suplex machine besides being an amazing athlete. I liked Chris Benoit as well. I remember Royal Rumble 2005 and Jim Ross screaming "Angle is suplexing the world"..and later Shawn Michaels reverses the Angle Slam and sweet chin musics him out of the Rumble. That's how to be a suplex machine and please the crowd, Lesnar.
6)Until recently, I believed Lesnar was awesome, a fucking attraction. But I have already known this- Paul Heyman's "I'm Paul Heyman and my client the beast..blah blah blah" is one of the most tedious, unoriginal and unimpressive schtick in Wrestling right now. I didn't particularly care about the Lesnar-Taker match from WM, or their recent feud. The only matches of Brock I enjoyed(after his 2012 return that is) were against Cena and Punk. I see no utility whatsoever, as a fan, in watching Brock, if he's only going to be a ****** who does like ONE move throughout a mainevent match. I must seem to you to be a bit angry, even incoherent. But passion doesn't know coherence!
The last sentence is the big question, isn't it? The thing is, what happens to Brock Lesnar when someone does finally cleanly defeat him and his suplexes?
Everyone who has been featured as a 'monster' in the past had to lose sometime, and in pro wrestling it's possible to have the Creative people build him back up so he can still be a highly effective performer. Of all the examples one can name, I think of Hulk Hogan after losing cleanly to Ultimate Warrior at WM6. It was a monumental defeat, yet Hogan's rep wasn't diminished at all despite the fact he never got his revenge against Warrior. He was a permanent employee (or so it was believed at the time) and he continued building his legend.
With Brock, it might be different because he's been cast as so far superior to everyone else that he can wrestle only a few times a year and still knock off everyone WWE's got.
What happens when Brock finally loses fair & square? If he keeps competing in WWE, will he ever be regarded as highly again.....or will he be essentially be finished as a major factor?
It can be said that WWE has painted themselves in a corner with this, as witnessed by the strong possibility that Brock, unlike other WWE performers, has no intention of making a career of pro wrestling.
What happens when he finally loses? Will we ever find out?
What I'm getting, out of reading a number of responses, as a whole is that the OP isn't a fan of Lesnar and, as a result, makes a grandiose declaration that he's ruining professional wrestling.
In some points, I do agree, however. Lesnar's various German Suplex offense does get repetitive and annoying, at least to me. In terms of his overall in-ring ability, Lesnar isn't remotely in the same universe he was circa 14 years ago. I absolutely despise how his match with Seth Rollins was booked because it didn't do anything for Rollins; Lesnar's dominance is long since established for the past few years and his first run in WWE back in 2002 to 2004, so I saw no need to bolster it by making Seth Rollins, someone that could be counted on to provide quality for WWE for the next decade, to look line an inconsequential pest.
With that being said, the fact of the matter is that Brock Lesnar is a draw. For me, a lot of the novelty has worn off but, for quite a few many others, they get a kick of Lesnar being this decimator, this nigh unstoppable destroyer that demolishes anyone in his path. A lot of people pay money to see him do it and while it might make for some relatively dull entertainment for me sometimes, it's obviously not something that's shared by a significant number of other WWE fans.
I think there's so much potential for Lesnar to elevate other guys while still looking dominant that it's not even funny. Lesnar was the most dominant guy in wrestling for the slightly less than 2 years he was in WWE initially. He went over guys like Angle, the Hardy Boyz, RVD, Edge, the Rock, Big Show, Taker and a number of other huge names and happened to win the Royal Rumble and WWE Championship 3 times. Since he returned to WWE nearly 4 years ago, he's still the most dominant guy in wrestling when you consider what he's done. He's gone over Punk, Henry, Big Show, Rusev, Rollins, Triple H, he's the only one in the last 10 years who can definitively say he came out on the true winning end of a feud with John Cena, handed Cena the most lopsided loss of his career to win the WWE Championship for the 4th time and he not only came out on the winning end of a feud with the Undertaker, something that's also exceedingly rare, he's the man who ended the WrestleMania streak. My point is that Lesnar can't be made to look any more dominant than he already has, especially over the past couple of years, so why not use that to help elevate others who're going to be helping carry the company for another 10 years instead of constantly using said guys as fodder for someone who'll probably be gone within the next few years?
Damn man. Yet another nice, neutral, insightful, intelligent, near-perfect post from you.
So, I don't hate Lesnar. As a matter of fact, I've been a long-time fan. It's also true that I prefer Kurt Angle, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and Sting and classic 30-minute matches, if all Lesnar/Heyman can offer now is 10 German Suplexes to most of his opponents, and "My name is Paul Heyman and my client Buhhrrrock Lesnar" schtick ad nauseam ...but let's not beat that fact of my being a bit of a traditionalist.
My claim that he is ruining "wrestling", or "The WWE" both of which are pretty much synonymous when it comes to Wrestling in North America/The US...must appear to be grandiose, sweeping, irrational, absurd, or just downright bizarre and unquestioned/unfounded. Nevertheless, I have chosen to just not pursue that path of dispute, as I know for certain only and only Aquaman, and perhaps some others(absent from this thread right now) are capable/penetrating enough of seeing validity and truth in that claim, in all its ramifications, more bad than good.
Also, my claim of him "ruining" wrestling has nothing to do with how many T-shirts he sells, tickets he sells, and whatever else from an economic/investment and returns POV.
Obviously, if britney spears and justin bieber are professional musicians, and lets say hypothetically, were to sell millions and millions of records, whereas really very few were to buy/care about Mozart or Beethoven, wouldn't it follow that "music is being ruined" ? Or does the mere fact of more people liking the former and buying their cd makes them better, because they bring in money?
And like you said, Brock has been booked to be supremely dominant, and almost invincible for so long now..that he doesn't even need/have to make Seth Rollins look like an inconsequential pest/bitch. But of course, it's not just Brock's fault because perhaps he is simply following what the writers/bookers/powers that be told him to do.
Anyhow, I enjoyed your post and the resultant discussion.