Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
The USA was fucked either way. I am more annoyed a third party couldn't get 5%, that would have been massive for 2020.
Congratulations America, You dun FUCKED IT UP!
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One Punch Doug Crashin
I AM INVINSIBLE!
You realize why third parties won't get about 5% right? Because the corporate media hates choice.
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Corporate media doesn't hate anything other than not making money. If a third party came along and enough people wanted to hear what they said the media would give them an outlet. Jill Stein exists to the fringe, Gary Johnson never had a chance. He screwed up the few chances he had.
Why do I bother?
BaconBits
WZ Czar of Steaks
Ross Perot was rather successful as a third party candidate. It can be done, but the third party candidates since then have been hot garbage.
enviousdominous
Behold my diction
Gary Johnson got a lot of votes for an airhead who lied about a prison tunnel so he could justify privatizing prisons in New Mexico. Then there's also the fact that James Weeks stripped at the Libertarian Convention.
Spidey Revivey
Porn is okay here long as it ain't dudes.
Stein was an anti-vax moron. It wasn't pretty any way we voted.
But in more positive news, Joe Biden memes have been astounding lately.
But in more positive news, Joe Biden memes have been astounding lately.
therockiswwf
The voice of Michael Cole's headset
How exactly would Hillary have fucked us? Also 3rd party candidates are usually incredibly dumb and would probably get less votes if people actually knew about them.
One Punch Doug Crashin
I AM INVINSIBLE!
trans-pacific partnership mean anything to you?
therockiswwf
The voice of Michael Cole's headset
Does she supported it at first then changed her mind when the deal became different from when she was involved with it mean anything to you?
Http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...y-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/
Also does global warming mean anything to you? Do past failed large tax cuts (Reagan) mean anything to you? Does an unsustainable job plan that, when combined with the tax cuts, will cause a recession mean anything to you? Do human rights mean anything to you? No they totally both would have fucked us and in no way is one more dangerous than the other.
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
Supporting Nuclear war...
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
The media is becoming less and less powerful. They hated Trump and he still won, if they could dictate anything the whole world would be blue.
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enviousdominous
Behold my diction
I don't think that Donald would go against his advisers and cause a nuclear war. Hillary on the other hand was talking about a no-fly-zone in Syria, which very well could have sparked nuclear war between the US and Russia.
I'm pretty sure that our involvement in Syria is an attempt to get a pipeline built from Qatar to Turkey, which would then undermine Russia's economic dominance of natural gas exports to Europe. Donald is talking focusing on ISIS and working with Russia -- which I realize can be a slippery slope in itself -- while Hillary is talking about prolonging the war for as long as possible while risking going to war with Russia.
I'll take Donald's side on this one.
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
I was talking about Hillary not Donald. Hillary even said nukes were on the table.
enviousdominous
Behold my diction
Sorry about that, I thought your statement was a counter-point to Doug's.
enviousdominous
Behold my diction
Donald Trump is turning out to be a Hell of a lot less foolhardy than I once thought, in that he's turning out to be a total hypocrite with noble intentions.
Donald would tweet things like "Barack Obama is the worst President in history", and then in his meeting with the President he was actually very nice, saying "He's a great man". Maybe he means "great man" in the sense of being a baker and not a President, but a compliment from Donald Trump to President Obama is a newsworthy moment.
The talk I'm hearing from Donald Trump is that he intends to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and replace it with another form of federally funded health care. Now; all I was hearing prior to the ACA being passed was "This is Socialism! Death squads will march into our homes! This will bankrupt our country! Why should I have to pay more because someone smoked their whole life!?" What I'm hearing now is that all that is okay, so long as Donald Trump's initials are on it.
Fine, whatever. If people who are insured under the Affordable Care Act don't lose their healthcare because it became the Trump Care Act, I guess that's a fair compromise.
Donald would tweet things like "Barack Obama is the worst President in history", and then in his meeting with the President he was actually very nice, saying "He's a great man". Maybe he means "great man" in the sense of being a baker and not a President, but a compliment from Donald Trump to President Obama is a newsworthy moment.
The talk I'm hearing from Donald Trump is that he intends to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and replace it with another form of federally funded health care. Now; all I was hearing prior to the ACA being passed was "This is Socialism! Death squads will march into our homes! This will bankrupt our country! Why should I have to pay more because someone smoked their whole life!?" What I'm hearing now is that all that is okay, so long as Donald Trump's initials are on it.
Fine, whatever. If people who are insured under the Affordable Care Act don't lose their healthcare because it became the Trump Care Act, I guess that's a fair compromise.
therockiswwf
The voice of Michael Cole's headset
And? She didn't literally mean that she'll strongly consider nuking everything. She meant it is an option but not one that would be likely in any situation.
Trump got into a twitter war because Jon Stewart said his real name is Fuckface Von Clownstick (in retaliation for Trump saying something about Stewart not using his real last name). Trump responded to this 4 days later. A 50+ year old guy who gets into twitter wars is not someone who I want with nuclear codes.
Russia isn't stupid enough to start a nuclear war with us because then we would both be dead. Relations are strained with Russia but we are not anywhere near a war with them. There is a reason the Cold War lasted forever. A Russia/US war would be incredibly dumb for both sides and is not worth it. Neither side would win.
ISIS is an ideology. You can't really "beat" ISIS. You think Hillary doesn't want to do shit about them? Of course she does. Fully engaging in another costly war is not something that should be done. High cost of lives for the US and huge monetary costs. We are working with multiple countries to stop ISIS. Turning our backs on those countries to work with just Russia is dumb.
Such a noble man. I mean sure he has lied multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple times but definitely not lying now. Care to explain what his new health plan will be? He sure hasn't.
Still doesn't address how his tax policy will cripple us, his job plan failed twice with Bush, how both of those combined leads to a recession, the danger he poses to the environment (aka the sustainability of the entire earth), reforming immigration so that it doesn't take 5000 years to become a citizen, the danger he poses to relations with other countries, the sanctions that we might face if he doesn't follow the Paris Agreement (which other countries are considering adding to the agreement) and many other things. But hey, he might keep like two parts of the ACA! Wow what a great plan.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
As long as one of those 2 parts means my family keeps our health insurance then I'm happy.
enviousdominous
Behold my diction
The Cold War has lasted forever, in that it never ended. The war we're engaged in now involves economic interests, and because of it we're forcing a proxy war in Syria between rebels -- who are backed by ISIS and the US -- and those loyal to Assad. Russia won't just launch a nuclear weapon because we took a bigger piece of the world economy's pie, but they'll most certainly flex their arsenal if we continue to encroach on nations like Syria.
Hillary wants Assad out, Donald wants ISIS out. Donald's plan has the least amount of chance of escalating into a world war.
ISIS is a lot of things, mainly they're a group of wealthy men who were foolishly allowed to congregate while being detained at Camp Bucca back in 2009, but they're also a group that is galvanized by their hatred toward the Sykes-Picot Agreement, and beyond that they're a fun way to justify dropping bombs anywhere in the middle east.
The last thing the old guard wants to do is erase a convenient scapegoat like ISIS from existence. I think that Donald wants to engage in the futile task of beating ISIS, and I think that Hillary wants to engage in the nefarious act of manipulating ISIS to justify destabilizing foreign economies. I'd rather have a noble idiot than a deceptive warhawk.
Oh good grief; if lying really offends you, then I'd be shocked if you voted for anybody.
If you were truly interested in Donald Trump's health care plan, you could spend ten minutes reading it off of his website. Albeit; it's not the most detailed explanation of how to provide nation wide healthcare, and it'll likely run into the same problems that the ACA ran into in terms of premium rates. A few key things I noticed are the ability to fully deduct insurance premiums from one's taxes, the ability to accrue a health savings account that can be passed on to future generations, the ability of insurers to compete on a national scale and incentives for states that expose Medicaid fraud.
Donald Trump is a moron, that much I can't deny. He wants to "save" the coal industry, which is a really fucking stupid thing to say. Even members of the oil industry who lobby against legislation to reduce pollution acknowledge that coal is an obsolete form of energy production.
A silver lining to the dark coal smog cloud that is Donald Trump is that he is willing to negotiate policy with anybody who has his ear, and he tends to lean toward whatever option will enhance his image. It doesn't matter if what's being suggested is the complete opposite of what he had proudly boasted previously, he's cool with you as long as you're not screwing with decisions based on his real estate investments.
If Donald is shown the writing on the wall in terms of how deep our nation will go into debt if his tax breaks are passed, I think he'll relent and change his policy in spite of the risk of looking like he made a bad call. Am I grasping at straws here? Yes, but I'm a demented optimist.
The Paris agreement is weird, from what I could research it's apparently the smallest step that could possibly be taken among a group of nations that would otherwise have no incentive to stop polluting the atmosphere. It's an extremely small step because there really are no penalties embedded in the agreement for nations that renege on their promises. If a nation really wants to impose sanctions on us for not signing on, then that'll only embolden populists.
I believe in my heart of hearts that Donald will eventually admit that climate change is real, I believe that his tweet that suggested that China created climate change as a hoax was just him being facetious.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
What kind of insurance do you have?
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
It's called Oregon Health Plan
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
Is it state funded?
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
Someone funds it because I don't pay anything
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
Not for long.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
Fucker better not touch my insurance.
I just got a primary Dr as well as a counselor.
I just got a primary Dr as well as a counselor.