Nate DaMac
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The Guinea Pig drove it home.
Zack Ryder intentionally left off of RAW as a rib?
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The Guinea Pig drove it home.
How the fuck is Superstars a pile of shit? Clearly you DON'T watch it or you'd realize the show consistently features some of the best wrestling in the entire WWE each week and is one of their most entertaining shows. You get more in-ring action and clean finishes in an hour of Superstars than you do on RAW or Smackdown any week. Superstars is a great show.
Big Nick Dudley
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I wish Vince had given him an opportunity on Raw. Written him into the main event and all.
All the Little Jimmy's of the internet rejoice. That is, until word breaks out (Tuesday morning) that Zack Ryder has been sent to FCW, with Youtube privileges revoked.
THAT would've been quite the rib.
All the Little Jimmy's of the internet rejoice. That is, until word breaks out (Tuesday morning) that Zack Ryder has been sent to FCW, with Youtube privileges revoked.
THAT would've been quite the rib.
NO ONE is asking for a main event, just a small match with a win and possibly a short promo. Wow.
A video package or promo would suffice. That'd actually do good for many low card stars, like Hawkins and Masters, to remind people they're still their. I forgot Masters was on RAW until I saw it earlier tonight.
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The same thing over here.
Hyorinmaru
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I'm asking for a match.
Not a long one just 5 minutes a week to start
Not a long one just 5 minutes a week to start
Totally agree, X.
I got this off PWTorch. Basically, Superstars is the show where wrestling is emphasized the most. Not only that, but it runs an hour less than RAW and there is only about a 7 minute difference in total in-ring work.
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The Mark Henry rib was somewhat funny. This is just stupid. I cannot believe Vince has such a shoddy sense of humor. At least he doesn't appear that way in his TV personality. Oh well, maybe HHH is booking his ribs too.
What would be funny is if Vince screwed Zack out of his Internet Championship, took over his TV show and started imitating Ryder on it.
What would be funny is if Vince screwed Zack out of his Internet Championship, took over his TV show and started imitating Ryder on it.
This thread took a serious left turn. Everyone needs to remember that it's not about whether Ryder deserves a spot on television or not. It's about the backlash he received for things he said in his self-made videos.
Someone posted an interview with Ryder who took full responsibility for everything that's transpired in the videos. This gives Vince a motive if he was ever "set off" by comments that Ryder made in said videos.
That's the point of this thread. If this report is true, did Ryder deserve the punishment? Was it too extreme?
Here's my take... Although I feel that any wrestler who goes out of their way and can think outside of the box enough to get their character over, we all know that you must tread lightly in this business. It's not wise to publicly express your disdain for the WWE's product. Ryder's videos were masterful... except for the parts where he mentioned the WWE "missing the boat" with him and all of that jazz. He could have let the videos follow their core formula without making those comments. This is what got him in (supposed) trouble.
While I agree that DiBiase only got on television because of his legacy (no pun intended), I don't see anything in Ryder that proves he's "better than" DiBiase in any way. Not that I'm saying DiBise is better... I just haven't seen enough of either man to make a decision except for the fact that DiBiase put on some pretty decent matches with DX and played Orton's puppets very well on television.
The funny thing is that DiBiase and Ryder have very similar careers so far. Both men came in and were thrown directly into tag team championships and connections with the top heel on their respective programs. Or do all of you seem to forget when Ryder was an Edgehead? Since then, both DiBiase and Ryder have been stuck in limbo. Whether it be Ryder winning on Superstars or DiBiase getting buried on Raw, how can you say one is better than the other?
Like I said above, they're both in the same exact boat. Just because DiBiase is losing on Raw instead of Superstars doesn't put him in ay better of a position in my eyes. As far as I'm concerned, Ted is worse off since more people watch him get squashed every week.
Yeah, and Ryder jobbed to Sheamus and is Cena's bitch boy. Your point?
Finally... somebody gets my point 100%.
Someone posted an interview with Ryder who took full responsibility for everything that's transpired in the videos. This gives Vince a motive if he was ever "set off" by comments that Ryder made in said videos.
That's the point of this thread. If this report is true, did Ryder deserve the punishment? Was it too extreme?
Here's my take... Although I feel that any wrestler who goes out of their way and can think outside of the box enough to get their character over, we all know that you must tread lightly in this business. It's not wise to publicly express your disdain for the WWE's product. Ryder's videos were masterful... except for the parts where he mentioned the WWE "missing the boat" with him and all of that jazz. He could have let the videos follow their core formula without making those comments. This is what got him in (supposed) trouble.
While I agree that DiBiase only got on television because of his legacy (no pun intended), I don't see anything in Ryder that proves he's "better than" DiBiase in any way. Not that I'm saying DiBise is better... I just haven't seen enough of either man to make a decision except for the fact that DiBiase put on some pretty decent matches with DX and played Orton's puppets very well on television.
The funny thing is that DiBiase and Ryder have very similar careers so far. Both men came in and were thrown directly into tag team championships and connections with the top heel on their respective programs. Or do all of you seem to forget when Ryder was an Edgehead? Since then, both DiBiase and Ryder have been stuck in limbo. Whether it be Ryder winning on Superstars or DiBiase getting buried on Raw, how can you say one is better than the other?
Like I said above, they're both in the same exact boat. Just because DiBiase is losing on Raw instead of Superstars doesn't put him in ay better of a position in my eyes. As far as I'm concerned, Ted is worse off since more people watch him get squashed every week.
Yeah, and Ryder jobbed to Sheamus and is Cena's bitch boy. Your point?
Finally... somebody gets my point 100%.
Little Jerry Lawler
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I like DiBiase in the ring. On the mic, not so much.
Depends what you're looking for. Ryder could have a decent career jobbing out to midcarders every week. Plus, in this day and age, all it takes is a couple of wins in a row to get yourself taken seriously by the audience.
He jobbed to Sheamus last August. Heck, you didn't even remember it until someone pointed it out to you.
Still doesn't make what Vince did right, or even okay.
But this still wouldn't make any of the Ryder marks happy. Nothing is ever good enough unless they win a world title. Let's face it. So this point is bullshit to me.
No, but I'd rather be forgotten about and left off TV for a while than to job to EVERYONE, including Hornswoggle, week in and week out.
Vince does hat he has to do to keep the egos in check. Drastic? Yes. Would I have done the same thing? No. But who are we to judge? We don't own that company or run it's day-to-day operations.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
I guess it's someone every year. Everyone was clamoring for Morrison last year and it's Ryder this year. Guess I need to start my Tatsu campaign for 2012.
And also Christian for both of those years up until present. The internet won't stop clamoring for someone for a world title. They have no idea that if EVERYONE they were fanboys of won a world title, the title would mean less than it already does. But that's the internet fanbase for you... they play checkers and never chess. They don't think more than two steps in front of them.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
I guess that's because they see guys like Swagger, Sheamus, and Khali with world titles in the past five years. They think that anybody can get one. If this was ten or fifteen years ago, it would be even harder then. Look at Kurt Angle's reign in 2000. I still can't wrap my head around him being the champion for four months with the roster they had.
I think the fact that some of the most diehard Ryder marks on this forum have come out in this thread and said that they'd be happy with just a few matches on Raw each month proves that they'd me more than fine if he was in three-five minute squashes like his one with Kofi. And like I said, should Ryder eventually get his coveted push, all it would take is a couple promos, a handful of wins, and the right story to make him from jobber to midcarder overnight.
Ryder jobbed to Hornswoggle? Does Chavo know about this?!
People with moral decency (until IC posts in here, anyway). I'd like to think that nobody in this thread would handle Zack Ryder the same way that Vince did. If I were Vince I'd do the right thing and, you know, TALK to Ryder about how if he wants to get the WWE push then he's going to have to start playing ball with the WWE and stop with the "dropping the ball" jokes. Not only would it be more effective and much more polite, but it would also be about a zillion times easier than setting up an elaborate plot to fuck with Ryder.
Puhlease. Vince McMahon does what he needs to in order to protect his own fragile ego. That's all.
Yeah but once they smell blood in the water they won't stop until he's a world fucking champion. That's why guys like Eric Bischoff say that the 10%-ers don't know jack shit about the business... and he's right.
I was referring to Ted DiBiase.
I agree. But like I said in an earlier post, none of us own and run a billion dollar company that consists of musclehead, ego-driven workers in a physically taxing business such as pro-wrestling. I can imagine that if a 6'4" 250lb guy was bitching and complaining about MY company in public that I'd need to do something more drastic than filling out a disciplinary report form. No one could pass judgment on any of this, regardless of how fucked up it may seem.
Ryder publicly showed his disdain for Vince's way of doing things so Vince responded publicly. Stop acting like Ryder is so innocent, man.
I know why they all do it... no question there.
As for Angle's reign, it shocked me too. But Angle became arguably one of the best in-ring performers in the history of this business who will be honored LONG after his career ends. So when you all bitch and moan about Zack Ryder and think Vince is "missing the boat", remember that, even during an era where the WWE roster was stacked with Austins, Rocks, Takers, and other top talent, Vince was still able to see a guy like Kurt Angle as a real player in the business. It goes to show... maybe Ryder really isn't as good as you all think he is.
I don't disagree. I think it's a little of both.